This video interview also covers Susan Morris, educational psychologist at University Birmingham. Here are a few quotes:
The family courts basically go along with what the Local Authorities say.
You have a court system that is dependent on experts who are financially beholden to the Local Authority.
That sounds rather corrupt.It is.
We should be less punitive about people changing their minds. They get so frightened of changing their minds that you get this cover-up process: the family court backs it up, the court of appeal backs it up, and the only hope is the European Court of Human Rights, when we should have some hope in the UK, really.
Returning of children doesn’t seem to be happening…
Related articles
- Daily Mail and Channel IV: Scandal of ‘unqualified’ experts who advise our family courts (gloriamusa.wordpress.com)
- The White Rose (Munich, 1942) – a virtual reincarnation due to Family Court Corruption in the UK (victims-unite.net)
- Scrap the Family Justice Review Final Report: EDM for MPs and Petition for Folks (insupportofjohnhemming.wordpress.com)
- ITV This Morning: Help me Keep my Baby (gloriamusa.wordpress.com)
- Association of Honourable McKenzie Friends launched with Austin Mitchell MP and John Hemming MP (mckenzies4fairness.wordpress.com)
- Child snatching: the ethical battleline between mainstream and online media (gloriamusa.wordpress.com)
- Appeals soar after secret courts are opened to public (victims-unite.net)
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Mar 25, 2012 @ 19:03:37
Thank god for MPs like John Hemming. Speaking his minds and not
the party whips’ directions.
We need 400 more MPs like him & Vince Cable. courageous enough to
speak the ” tactless truth “. It’s called Democracy, you may not agree, but
you must respect the others opinions, like it or not, We are all in the same
life boat. Ignore it at your peril !
Mar 25, 2012 @ 20:46:09
Dear Mr. Peter Oakes. I agree with you and would like to add that there many many MPs who KNOW of what has happened within Social Services and turn a blind eye. Mr.John Hemming MP CARES.
Mar 25, 2012 @ 23:35:21
u put him in the same boat as Vince? that did make me laugh…..
i heard of a Phil Thompson in the SS once….any chance?
Mar 26, 2012 @ 09:56:14
You’re memory is awful. You asked him this ages ago and it resulted in an argument. They’re different people. You might as well ask him if he’s the ex Liverpool centre back.
Mar 26, 2012 @ 11:58:12
you’re right, but i dnt remember any argument…nor an answer for that matter….but i bet your memory would be pretty awful to if i punched you in the head several hundred times, attached electrodes to your head, fried your brain and pumped you full of nasty drugs…
Mar 26, 2012 @ 13:19:23
I don’t doubt that they fried your brain. You could submit your postings as evidence.
Mar 26, 2012 @ 14:21:13
Dear JM, I once worked with a dirty stinking rat who we called with those initials —- and chance ?.
Lets find out about you.
Mar 26, 2012 @ 08:16:20
Good on you, Mr Hemming!
what is going on now is unacceptable in a free society
it is only by greater public and press access that we can resolve this unpleasant business
Mar 26, 2012 @ 15:52:19
OK, but pussyfooting round serious issues with no solutions suggested.
1:-The fact is that parents who have committed no crime are losing their children to forced adoption!
2:-Experts who depend on court appearances for a living, nearly always agree with the local authority.They make predictions that parents just might abuse their children (including newborn babies) in the future ,so these parents lose their children to permanent fostercare or adoption,not for something they have done but for something they might (or might not) do!
3:-Over 1000 UK children /month are taken into care ,Fosterers are paid an average £400/week per child (birth mothers get around £20/week),and a foster agency founded by social workers getting around £1500/week per child was recently sold for £130million !A real money driven industry !!
4:-Parents whose children have been taken are gagged and threatened with prison if they protest publicly;At contact parents are gagged again and forbidden to get emotional,to speak any foreign language,or to discuss the case with their children otherwise contact will be stopped.
5:-More children are taken for emotional abuse than physical and sexual abuse added together.Despite “baby P” the number taken for physical abuse is steadily falling as a percentage of the total number of children taken.
6:-What are the solutions?
(a)Impose criminal rules of evidence in family courts so children cannot be taken unless parents are proved to have committed a crime affecting their children.
(b)Abolish all gagging of parents leaving them free to protest openly if their children are taken, and also to say what they like to them at contact without censorship ! Two very simple changes, two very obvious solutions.,but will anyone impose them and derail the moneytrain? Don’t hold your breath !
Mar 26, 2012 @ 18:46:47
i totally disagree on a couple of points….the SOLUTION is to actually prosecute INDIVIDUALS for all crimes, reagrdless of hair colour, gender, whether they have a penis or not who their employer happens to be…this would act as a proper deterrent (and double the tariff on conviction for g-men, conidering how hard to prosecute and to set proper example) then hopefully CRIME will actually go down…and make criminal and illegal synonymous for the first time in history…intervening in a civil matter makes it a criminal one (Robert Green being prime example)
that baby P thing happned because they WANTED it to happen…..they reduced the resources for that ‘job’ whilst increasing costs/ piling on the paperwork— i still do not beleive that people are too stupid to comprehend the blatantly obvious when it has been repeatedly explained to them….they created a problem, in order to create a reaction in order to provide a ‘solution’….i.e. more victims for themselves and their criminal gangs…..people don’t believe because people don’t want to believe….
anybody else remember being asked that question in A-Level history? why did the Germans allow it to happen?
Mar 26, 2012 @ 18:49:39
& yeah, i do reckon it’s him….been stalking me for years so what are the chances that someone with the same name wd suddenly start posting here? you can read about him in the blog….are he has read the blog and is impersonating him just to wind me up….
anybody here with the power to check IP addresses/ play snap?
Mar 26, 2012 @ 19:32:20
“No punishment without crime” implies the crollary “crimes must be punished”,so no disagreement JM
Mar 26, 2012 @ 20:58:47
really, no disagreement? from what you said it sounded like it would be ok for them to commit crime as long as they changed the system…
and only sith deal in absolutes….but when you consider Joint Enterpriselaw every govt employee in the country and most of the private sector would be doing serious jail time….obviously impossible, as there wdn’t be enough people alive/ left to keep them all locked up…..the problem is that much out of control!
i would certainly jail people who go around shooting people repeatedly in the head, whether for murder or anslaughter, whatever the jurydecided….breaking into people homes, selling the footage to TV companies for entertainment, abducting people throwing them out of ambulances….every single one of the hundred or so, so called NHS employees that tortured that guy (they al knew he refused to consent) would be in for soem serious jail time, every school teacher that continued to fingerprint school chidlren after it was judged illegal couple of years back….everybody involved in anyway of abducting children…..dropping bombs on them, any kind of abuse towards….
you get the picture…? the only real solution is revolution….i.e. descending to their level….they break one of our windows we break ten of their windows, they kill one of us we kill ten of them…..decent people don’t do these things, they decalred war on all decent people when they do these things…..continuing to explain the blatantly obvious to people just makes you a target/ victim however….if u dnt know try reading what they did to me! still doing…looks like they’re trying to engineer another incident where i get locked up for life again…..i dnt even have anyone to speak up for me so still talking whilst i can!
Mar 26, 2012 @ 21:27:42
I SAID CRIME MUST BE PUNISHED , do you disagree jm1 or jm2 ,?
Mar 26, 2012 @ 22:12:29
1 or 2? i was only exapnding on points discussed…..main point being what are you prepared to achieve it? if you’re not prepared to descend to their level (i’m not really, i can barely walk for more than half an hour…) you have already lost…
question people never seem to ask is why? why do people crash buildings into planes? (switch that!) why were the laws of physics suspended that day? why Raoull Moat? why the shrine that sprung up to him after the fact? why do people defend themselves when attacked? (the answer is actually in the question for that last one, if anyone reading is too stupid to realise….)
it’s not just one issue….the whole world is upside down and the wrong way up….there can’t really be anymore heinous crime than what is inflicted on children….but they preemptively murdered mine…..before they existed….arguably better than dropping bombs on them or the other things that others have had to endure….and i do love kids! the innocence of youth when they’re enjoying themselves is the only respite i have….very rare to get the opportunity! obviously not in the ‘wrong’ way or anything….
and another thing, if i want to go and see that Lady Di memoriable fountain thing (I do actually have an interest) is it right that i am legally obliged to abduct somebody else’s kid in order to do so? i don’t think any actual law has been passed….but the rumour is they kick the shit out of you and label you a nonce if you don’t……
look, I’m sure most here are on the same side…if i sound a bit negative I’m in alot of physical pain, i have absolutely noone, not even to talk to properly and living in constant fear of very bad things…even now, lower level torture yes but still pretty much torture…..i’m sure they’re in the process of setting soemthing else up, but not really anything new they can do to me….just more of the same no doubt! I’m just trying to find soemone i can count on to get the story out when i get got again….if i do stop posting here or on hemming’s blog you’ll know why! only places i got to post now….;-) & still hope that he is one that still does actually care soemwhat, about people, despite our disagreeemnts….
Mar 26, 2012 @ 21:46:27
You have a court system that is dependent on experts who are financially beholden to the Local Authority.
How very true this statement is. It would also explain why I could make no progress through the court system when the Local Authority granted a neighbour permission to extend his property way past his LR boundary and thereby block the legal “right to pass” to and from my property. The LA falsified plans for the neighbour, offered him free legal advice, and then advised him to change from “planning permission” to “planning development” so they could not refuse the application. My rights were completely ignored. The neighbours solicitor colluded with the LA and courts to reject my claim, by perjury and other aspects such as perverting the course of justice. I had to go and buy additional land to access and egress my property.
Mar 27, 2012 @ 00:14:03
Dear JM and to the other person to who you are communicating about me. Here I am on a Video Youtube:– Walsall ss-forced adoption
This is what i have said and stand by. Apart from your GAB what have you done. BTW, I still think about the RAT who I mentioned a long time ago. SHOW me that you are MAN or WOMAN enough to APOLOGISE
You may also Youtube:– Vicky haig and others speak truth to power
See the old man, toward the end, thats me doing my bit to bring our cause to the attention of the authorities. WHAT have YOU DONE ?.
Mar 27, 2012 @ 00:33:18
look, no youtube link there…..and virtually impossible to watch vids on this connection…..sorry, nowt i can do abt that!
apologise? what for? i just enquired…..and still no str8 answer and you resorted to name calling……..seem suspicous coincidence is all, but could well be one…..all TIs get is one suspicious coincidence after another, but stands to reason one or two of them might me actual coincidences….tell u what, read the blog and see if you recognise yourself…or a pic wd do?
& our cause to attention of ‘authorities’? they have no authority, moral, legal or otherwise…..the current one’s ar ethe problem…..i cd even forgive the occasional mistake, as long as they’re properly punished for them but serious abuse has become SOP a long time ago….
same with the Nazi’s, they weren’t ‘corrupt’—-the corrupt one’s were folk like Schindler (Spielberg made a movie about him) and they were all executed on the spot, for the most part….think he was got by friendly fire though, at the end….
Mar 27, 2012 @ 01:11:38
JM. I am sorry that I gave you any credence. I trust that anyone who reads your last post will see what you are. I REPEAT. I am a DECENT person who does not deserve your BILE. I wish you well and hope that men in white coats come for you soon. Please lave my decency alone. You demean me by your STUPIDITY.
Mar 27, 2012 @ 00:27:52
Laughing. Dear JM, talk about winding you up. Are you man or woman enough to apologise. In case you do not, let me tell you that I would wind you up so as to achieve an ever decreasing circleso that you end up in your own fundament. Try not to be yourself become decent and apologise for your mistake. CONSIDER this, because of what you have written about me, I could accuse YOU of anything. BUT I am a DECENT man and lived by this code for many years. Your reaction will determine your credibility. BTW this is NOT what the site was designed for.
Mar 27, 2012 @ 10:40:21
To Phil Thompson.
Unfortunately there are some pretty sad bastards
out there who,s only pleasure is similar to plucking live chickens these cretins
are slowly but surely loosing the plot.
You will no doubt have noticed that very few philanthropically kidnapped
children are ever returned to the Birth parents, this is due to the Local Authorities cruel and incompetent personnel being sued for damages !
These “no win no fee ” legal mafia solicitors would have a field day !
But we are getting there ever so slowly and in 5 years time it will be a different
ball game for these monsters, and remember an Expert is just a drip under pressure.
Mar 27, 2012 @ 14:32:44
Mr. Peter Oakes. Thank you for the encouragement. I was feeling a bit glum.
All the best.
Mar 30, 2012 @ 09:24:09
Apr 08, 2012 @ 01:04:38
LESS punitive? I mean the WTF? they’re never bloody prosecuted for the crimes they commit and get PAID for committing them…..how is it possible to get less punitive?
Prosecuting does actually reduce crime beacuse a) the guilty end up in jail and b) it acts ass a proper deterrent to those who are caable of committing such crimes in the first place! it blatantly bloody obvious is it not? but then again they just ass rape and torture the fuck out of you when you try explaining the blatantly obvious to them, thus confirming they’re not actually too stupid comprehend the blatantly obvious when it hasbeen repeatedly explained to them they just enjoy what they do becuase they really are sadistic mother fuckers!
Apr 08, 2012 @ 01:05:47
and what is up with this oakes bloke? is he a bit schizo or soemthing? pleansat one minute and on the attack next?
Apr 22, 2012 @ 21:45:29
May 30, 2012 @ 13:46:44
Social services are a discrace to this country not yet have they taken my daughter from me they have split me and my partner up as well.
They have been corrupt throughout the proceedings and they have told lies time and time again.
My partner and i really want help to get are daughter back before she is adopted she is 16 months old now and i am not happy about the way my daughter is being treated like a rag doll.
May 31, 2012 @ 20:32:46
You have to be as tough and determined as they are, Kevin!
Look at http://www.PunishmentWithoutCrime.wordpress.com
May 31, 2012 @ 22:23:37
i am so sorry, i believe you….wish i could help.
Jun 01, 2012 @ 00:10:11
Dear Kevin Sole, I am sorry to see that you too have fallen into the CLUTCHES of social services. I would like to tell you to keep this in mind. The CURRENT PRIME MINISTER David Cameron and his deputy Nick Clegg KNOW of the PLEAS of so many Families who have been ABUSED(FALSELY) by social services. I also wish to include many MPs to who I have written. The TOTAL number of MPs exceeds 60 in my Case. ONLY ABOUT FIVE OF THEM REPLIED. Just to inform you(STEPHEN POUND MP) is one of the MOUTHY ones to who I wrote. Another GOBBY, BARRY SHEERMAN MP. Guess what. NO REPLY. Let these two contradict me any time they wish. AS far as I am concerned. There is CORRUPTION in HIGH PLACES(NOT by these TWO) BUT because of the CORRUPTION the GREAT and the NOT supposed good DO NOT REPLY in case the investigation reaches up to them similar to the LEVERSON ENQUIRY. Once again KEVIN SOLE. There many, many people who make the SAME ACCUSATIONS as you of the CORRUPTION in their Statements to the Court by social services. If only there was enough cohesion by enough of us, this VILE SOCIAL SERVICE, CAFCASS, LAWYERS, MAGISTRATES and AGENCIES and CARERS involved in this MULTI-MILLION POUND INDUSTRY in the TAKING of children by any means possible for their OWN BENEFIT will be STOPPED. Just as an Example why is is that only ONE MP SPEAKS out for people like us. KEVIN SOLE, Let them do their worst and we will do our best(a GREAT MAN from history).
Jun 14, 2012 @ 16:45:48
They wouldnt let me in the meeting the other day as they were talking to my partner about the adoption and i havent got much time left if im gonna get her back ive got to do something now have you got any advice
Jul 06, 2012 @ 15:41:40
social services have just decided to inform my partner this morning that are daughter was adopted last friday and that the previous social worker has left her position and handed it over to a new social worker i want my daughter back and i am sick of social services getting away with treating innocent people like criminals.
my partner and i dont deserve to be treated like this and my daughter how do they think she feels being with complete strangers if any one has got any help or advice they could give me please contact me at my email address
Jul 06, 2012 @ 16:46:47
I have asked Ian Josephs who published http://www.forced-adoption.com whether he has ever heard of anybody getting their child back after adoption…
Are there parents out there who would consider a class action?
Have you looked on Facebook? There are a few groups helping each other.
Soooo sorry to have to go through this pain “in the interest of the child”…
Jul 06, 2012 @ 21:27:24
Here’s Ian’s reply:
Yes adopted children can be recovered.
If you google 1:-Winona and Danielle Varney and 2:- Von and Tammy you can read details of two cases where this happened, not of course because the “SS” relented but because parents and children found themselves via the internet after years of separation and in both cases the kids dumped the adoptive parents and returned to their birth mothers.
I was particularly involved with the case of Winonna and Danielle as both had been consistently lied to by social workers and adoptive parents who had told the two sisters that their mother was a wicked woman who did not love them and had abandoned them 9 years previously when the truth was that the mother had fought through years of gruelling court actions trying to recover her daughters who had been taken from her because of a previous violent relationship with a partner long departed .
Winçona, consumed with hatred for the lies she had been told started at age 16 her own website called “anti-social services”!
IAN JOSEPHS [ author of http://www.forced-adoption.com which I revamped into http://www.punishmentwithoutcrime.wordpress.com ]
Jul 10, 2012 @ 11:28:04
Im going thorw the same with ss i need advise on what i could do about this my son is 21mth old ss are wanting to adopt him im scared of having more children in the further they have maid me really unwell i carnt live without my beautiful little boy i love the bones of him hes my world i wud never hurt my baby i just need some advise please
Jul 10, 2012 @ 17:50:10
I suggest you give Ian a call in Monaco. He’ll ring you back. He’s on 03362 687 5684. Everybody will give you different advice. But Ian has more experience than anybody.
Oct 02, 2012 @ 13:31:18
The social worker has recently told me that i can contest the adopters adopting my daughter but as to this date they have still not put in there application to adopt my daughter so its wasting alot of time what i think is that the social worker has told them to wait so my daughter gets settled in with them and then they can hand in the application then its to late as they can say in court that she is settled and i lose my chance to be a father but that wont happen anyway why is my dayghter in there care when they havent adopted her yet and also they havent got parental responsibillity for my daughter this whole situation stinks its to neat and i just cant swallow it.
Oct 02, 2012 @ 14:59:29
social workers not available again this is a joke tere happy when they are taking your children but they seem to hide when you want to talk to them. (JOKE)
Oct 02, 2012 @ 15:43:28
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I can only repeat what I said in March !
STOP pussyfooting round serious issues with no solutions suggested.
1:-The fact is that parents who have committed no crime are losing their children to forced adoption!
2:-Experts who depend on court appearances for a living, nearly always agree with the local authority.They make predictions that parents just might abuse their children (including newborn babies) in the future ,so these parents lose their children to permanent fostercare or adoption,not for something they have done but for something they might (or might not) do!
3:-Over 1000 UK children /month are taken into care ,Fosterers are paid an average £400/week per child (birth mothers get around £20/week),and a foster agency founded by social workers getting around £1500/week per child was recently sold for £130million !A real money driven industry !!
4:-Parents whose children have been taken are gagged and threatened with prison if they protest publicly;At contact parents are gagged again and forbidden to get emotional,to speak any foreign language,or to discuss the case with their children otherwise contact will be stopped.
5:-More children are taken for emotional abuse than physical and sexual abuse added together.Despite “baby P” the number taken for physical abuse is steadily falling as a percentage of the total number of children taken.
6:-What are the solutions?
(a)Impose criminal rules of evidence in family courts so children cannot be taken unless parents are proved to have committed a crime affecting their children.
(b)Abolish all gagging of parents leaving them free to protest openly if their children are taken, and also to say what they like to them at contact without censorship ! Two very simple changes, two very obvious solutions.,but will anyone impose them and derail the moneytrain? Don’t hold your breath !
Oct 18, 2012 @ 12:05:24
Now the social worker has told my partner and i that we can contest as soon as the adopters put there application in to adopt are daughter but they havent done so as yet and the social worker is telling me one thing and my partner another.
If we get to contest would it go to court if yes what court would it be and where?
Also have you got any advice about the social worker because she is playing games with my partner and myself and there is just no need for it.
We want are daughter back for christmas but i think its the social worker who has put things on hold and they need to be exposed.
Oct 18, 2012 @ 17:24:33
Exposing them doesn’t get them your daughter back.
The best seems to be to ‘work in partnership’ with SS and request them to consider / assess your extended family before they let kids go for adoption to meet their adoption targets.
Hope this helps!
Oct 19, 2012 @ 14:20:31
I have already done that and they are not willing to let any family members care for my daughter this just isnt fair what so ever why should they get away with treating people like this my health is not great due to what they have put me through i just want my daughter back they had no right to take her from my partner and i in the first place.
Oct 19, 2012 @ 16:03:52
Let’s hope that Alison Stevens from PAIN can help.
Her no. is 01162 602 855
Oct 20, 2012 @ 12:57:48
Thank you i will give that a try what is it that she does
Oct 20, 2012 @ 14:24:26
Click and read, Kevin:
http://parentsagainstinjustice.org/
Dec 04, 2012 @ 13:38:28
I have got the chance to contest the adoption on the 4 january 2013 at Chatham magistrates court have you got any advice on how i should tell the judge what i want for my daughter and how to explaine to him about how my daughter and partner and myself have been treated this is my only and last chance.
Dec 04, 2012 @ 16:18:55
I suggest you speak to Ian Josephs who publishes http://www.forced-adoption.com which I have re-published as http://www.PunishmentWithoutCrime.wordpress.com
You’ll find his number on both sites and he’ll call you back.
Apr 07, 2013 @ 00:34:12
Figured it was almost certainly true, what ‘KaOssis’ said- now it’s been deleted confirms it almost certainly!