EMAIL to Madeleine Moon MP who asked about the number of children who died whilst in ‘care’

English: Orange Grove House. "Where Child...

English: Orange Grove House. “Where Children Grow and Blossom”. A Foster care agency headquarters. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Here is what I sent to Madeleine Moon MP whose question to Edward Timpson MP is here. You could copy it for your own or any other MP:

Dear Madeleine Moon MP,

Trusting that you find Edward Timpson MP’s answer unacceptable, I wonder whether you will take the issue further?

  • Will you ask for a Public Inquiry?
  • Is there a Public Prosecution into every death?
    • If not, why not?
    • Would the Police and the CPS not go after every parent whose child died?
  • Would these children have died, if they had stayed with their families?
    • Was it not supposed to be “in their best interest” to be in ‘care’?
  • In comparison, how many children die a year?
    • And how many adopted ones?
  • Whose identitiesneedto be ‘protected’ about the tragedy of every single death?

In our observation as McKenzie Friends, the secrecy in family courts has become the cloak for criminality. Hence we have launched these online petitions, especially as non-UK MEPs are interested in taking the issues further.

You will know that John Hemming MP knows the subject well, since his charity Justice for Families has over 1,700 cases on file. He says on his blog that there is enthusiasm among foreign embassies for a conference in parliament to look at how to fight corruption in the family courts in England.

Here are our online petitions:

Please also note: The Young Victims – dying at home or in care – compiled by FASSIT:

  1. The 228 child deaths they didn’t want to tell you about – a Daily Mail article of 2009, covering John Hemming’s attempts to get statistics from Local Authorities, with 21 of them refusing.
  2. 75 Local Authorities named, together with the names of the children – the source for the White Rose Blog.
  3. Where’s the need to protect whom?
  4. A comment on Victims Unite also mentions suicides by young people, especially in Wales
    • Who accounts for them?

Plus: 10,000 children missing from care:

  1. In June 2012, the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) for Runaway and Missing Children and Adults and the APPG for Looked-after Children and Care Leavers published the report of their joint inquiry into children who go missing from care.
  2. The report argued that the Government was under-reporting the number of children going missing from care. While the official figure for 2011 was 930, the report argues that, according to police data, an estimated 10,000 individual children went missing. The report cited that this high number was symptomatic of a care system which was far from being fit for purpose and in need of an urgent rethink. For the full report click here.
  3. Why the discrepancy?

Who cares?

What about compensation for the parents?

Putting a lot of hope on your support,

Yours gratefully in advance,


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24 Responses to EMAIL to Madeleine Moon MP who asked about the number of children who died whilst in ‘care’

  1. JM says:

    you can’t trust pigyob figures either sureley….but never mind the laws of physics, laws of mathematics 10 000 means 10 000 dead, they would have turned up on a DB somewhere otherwise….it’s not possible to survive anymore without being, take it from soemone who has been deleted…..

  2. peter oakes says:

    What ratio of children die in the Care of local authorities ?

    Do more girls than boys die ? or are they both equal 50/50 ?

    I bet the figures do not match. And what is the cause of death ?
    is it physical abuse ? natural causes ? It cannot be old age !

    Answers please

  3. Anonymous says:

    Sadly Madeleine Moon MP is not going to do anything.
    She has to cover up for an infamous clinic that is on her doorstep.
    The Welsh Dr Mengele operates in her area.
    She has her work cut out to keep the lid on her square mile – the teenage suicide capital of Wales.
    Google Bridgend, Caswell Clinic, and Teenage Suicides.
    You will be surprised!

  4. Those of us that follow these posts and ALL the cover ups of crime and and legal abuses, are aware that figures that surface are unreliable under stated through fraud error or mistake. Even if we know they are but the “tip of the iceberg”. The fact is that the attention of the House of Commons has been drawn to the “iceberg”. (This is slightly more notice than they had with the Titanic.) The icebergs have always been there, and although screened out covered up and concealed by the fog of disinterest, are ignored, until the danger is upon them and they are forced to face the consequences of their negligence. .

    We must each show that the MP’s cannot continue to ignore our concerns, if we don’t trouble ourselves even enough to forward this email to our own MP and follow it up if we do not receive acknowledgement or answer, it will be too late! The MP’s will only notice our concerns when enough of us, make the effort to ensure they are aware that their re-election will depend upon whether or not they listen to us. Delay and failure to keep up the pressure on our part will mean the next election will be over and nothing will change.

    The Social Services are just one part of the problem, but is a part that causes the greatest damage to most innocent and most vulnerable people. The Social Services would not get away with their conduct if the Courts were open honest and accountable. In fact the greatest harm is done by the failure or refusal of our courts to act in accordance with the law. The most obvious and inescapable evidence of judicial misconduct is the UK judiciary’ failure or refusal to comply with the International Court Order to return Bailie Kate Cooper to her parent and legal guardian. This is International Law which is the same law as the UK has relied upon to recover children who have been taken from the UK to foreign countries. The law is not made as one law for the UK and another for everyone else.

    The UK is involving itself in very dangerous waters when it involves itself in breaching laws which it has integrated into English law. The danger is made all the more real when it involves the taking of children from their natural parents, and the responsibility for the safety of these children will always remain with the party’s who have acted to remove the children from their parents should any further harm come to them.

    All evidence relevant to any harm coming to the child or children physical or mental harm of any kind is in the public interest. The State has used it’s authority to remove the child or children from families. The evidence will discover facts, and responsibilities that must make the case for the public inquiry.

    English Common Law allows; “Where there is a right there is a Remedy” [Ashbey v White (1703) 2Ld. Raym.938] “Ubi jus ibi remedium”.

    All this of course depends upon having a judiciary that administers the law.

    We must use every single opportunity whenever it arises to make contact with every possible source of influence. We must always assert our rights at every opportunity or we lose them. —- But here on this page I am preaching to the converted. All I can say is that I have forwarded this email to My MP and tweeted and facebooked it.

  5. peter oakes says:

    I fear the intention of Common Law is perverted by corrupt judges & court
    personnel Re; ” Where there is a Right there is a Remedy ” Ashbey v White

    A British Citizen has No Rights ! We are secretly enslaved in a corrupted
    monarchy that has been hi-jacked by the Legal Mafia (treason)

    Although british citizens are now European Citizens we are denied the Rights
    of the European Convention of Human Rights ECHR. smart and devious
    british judges & members of parliament did not sign upto Article 1 ECHR,

    This is the Article that binds the UK authorities to honor ALL the Articles,
    these devious smug arrogant buggers removed ECHR Article 13
    the Right to a Remedy.

    You can bet your life this information is monitored by the smug bastards who
    never thought the ignorant masses the british public would discover there
    treason and criminality. Nor did they realize every MP who fiddled re: stole
    their expenses was committing the criminal offence of making a
    ” False Declaration sect.5 1911 Perjury Act ” non have been prosecuted
    YET !. There is no time limit on criminal offences just ask Stuart Hall, Max Clifford, Rolf Harris, Freddie Star, Jim Davidson, etc. etc. all being pursued
    for alleged offences committed 20 years ago

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  8. Reblogged this on Musings of a Penpusher and commented:
    The evil of these secret family-courts will be revealed.

  9. We’ll all keep pushing until this hedge of thorns crumbles. I’ll write and reblogg until I run out of puff.

    • Me, too, Maureen!

      At least it gives us the satisfaction of having tried our best, I suppose.

      I just wish technology was smart enough to highlight all IP addresses of bad guys in red and good guys in green!… That would help us! 🙂

      • I think you’re on to something. I’m thinking Standard & Poors, Fitches and the way the rating agencies work (badly but the principle is sound) for financial paper based on financial criteria…extended hopefully to risk.

        Might it be possible to develop an institutional competence to administer your proposed red-green traffic lights for public officials in government, courts, working with minors (to cover adoption, children’s homes, etc)

        Agencies with a country-wide coverage (such as the Citizens Advice Bureaux, NHS Trusts, Parish Councils, Church of England clergypersons, Westminster MPs, National Union of Teachers, Masonic Lodges even ?) could eventually take on the task of collecting the data, sending in the forms etc. on individual public servants working in their area from victim reports, case studies etc. How about calling the agency Offlimits?

        By analogy with the rating of government bonds (and police computer records on criminals, paedeofiles, cautions, speeding violators etc), I am thinking of a Personal Integrity Rating on an Individual by individual basis, based on moral criteria (transparency, whistle blowing, fairness, right-wrong, legality etc)…with access to individual PIRs available by right to all citizens…on every official working for the public and/or receiving public funds.

        We seem to have league tables for all the vacuous things going on in society and none for the important things…the ones typically cloaked in secrecy.

        Public Servants with a lifetime of triple A ratings get given honours by King Charles III…with three strikes and out for those at the bottom of the ratings…and ‘out’ meaning anything from prison or the stocks (shaming) to cancellation of the publicly ‘ license to practice’ and reduced remuneration (taxation).

        Something like this might make sense in the age of the internet…starting perhaps with one score card for one person (working on tax payers money) in one Family Court and then, as it gets going, extending to other people working in the same court, then to other family courts, then to other courts, and so on. The assessment should not be carried out by government or be self-regulatory.

        There is no need to do nothing until everyone is covered…the typical bureaucratic and legal approach.A list of people to be covered and annual percent targets for PIRs per group…50 % by 201…would do the trick.

        The PIR records and the website might need to be hosted in Ecuador though…outsourced to Wikileaks…and then there are angels to enlist to provide the funding.

        Might be the perfect vehicle for anyone with any half-decent metrics software,

        • John Hemming MP said “there is no accountability”…

          So then the question is whether we can do better than Facebook in terms of setting something up that does make ‘public accountability’ happen!…

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